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What should Vertex Expert be? |
It should remain a twelve footer, the combination of mines and tempo changes make it hard enough; the world record for no eleven footer is lower. |
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It should be an eleven, the patterns and rythms are too straightforward and the tempo-changes not chaotic enough; many people pass it before eleven footers like July and find it harder to score then songs like Clockwork Genesis. |
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Boochypa Trick Member

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20. Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:01 am Post subject: |
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That DDR guy at Gr. Lakes wrote: | Boochypa wrote: | How is Summer complicated at all? |
Although it does vary from person to person and skill level development, Summer -Speedy Mix- is rather exhausting. Take a look at the step chart herefor further details. Also, take a deeper look at the two consecutive runs at the end. It's basically like Delirium just split in two.
....but yet again (as a "disclaimer"), this song can vary in difficulty from person to person. |
It's funny how nothing you said is any evidence of its being complicated. Oasis is complicated. Euphoria is complicated. Clockwork Genesis is complicated. Summer and Delirium are in absolutely no way complicated. _________________
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Kitten Nuggets Trick Member


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21. Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:05 am Post subject: |
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What does the complicatedness of Summer have to do with how hard Vertex is? _________________
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Darkicarus Trick Member


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Paranoia_Brother Trick Member

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Boochypa Trick Member

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: VA Tech |
24. Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Yes, we are talking about the same Summer.
I can't pass the song either, but what does that have to do with how complicated it is? Straight 16th runs are probably the least complicated thing you could put in a stepchart. _________________
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Kitten Nuggets Trick Member


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25. Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: |
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It's hopeless Cory _________________
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IHYD.Blake Vivid Member


Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Location: Solar City, California |
26. Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously.
Cory, you need 112 more poll threads for all the other songs on expert mode. After we get all of those locked, we can start in with hard mode.
Do Charlene next.
EDIT: Back on topic of the offtopic topic we are talking about in this here thread, Summer in Belieze is more complicated than Summer SM.
And, nobody called Summer in Belieze "Summer." Most people do call Summer Speedy Mix "Summer." _________________
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Kitten Nuggets Trick Member


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27. Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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htmlrules1 wrote: | And, nobody called Summer in Belieze "Summer." Most people do call Summer Speedy Mix "Summer." | This is the case Blake, but in SOCAL. You don't typically associate with people who aren't around us so people on the other side of the country may be saying it oppostie, Summer (for Summer in Belize) and Summer Speedy Mix. I doubt it's the case, but you can't really say "nobody." Sorry I felt obligated to point that out.  _________________
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IHYD.Blake Vivid Member


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28. Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:10 am Post subject: |
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You and Cory are always yelling at me for using the wrong words.
Most people that I have ever talked to usually dont call SIB Summer. _________________
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J. S. Mill Maniac Member


Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Location: New York, New York |
29. Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: |
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htmlrules1 wrote: | You and Cory are always yelling at me for using the wrong words. |
I don't think I've ever yelled at you (or expressed any emotion in your regard). _________________
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IHYD.Blake Vivid Member


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30. Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Dangit, wrong words again.
Told me _________________
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runwithscizzors9 Trick Member

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31. Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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i passed Vertex for the first time today, and i still can't pass PSMO, The Beginning, Mythology |
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Zeta Aspect Trick Member

Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Location: Vancouver, Washington |
32. Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think we should all return to the issue at hand.
VerTex Expert is not really as hard as other 12s, but it seems to be harder than Infection (11). VerTex is MUCH harder to read, has much longer streams, and generally takes more stamina. While you may not agree on my comparison, it is a valid point. _________________
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Boochypa Trick Member

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33. Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Tension and Disconnected Hyper are also harder than Infection, so no, it isn't a valid point. _________________
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Zeta Aspect Trick Member

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34. Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Touché. _________________
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Tyrgannus Trick Member

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35. Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, if you admit that Tension and Disconnected Hyper is harder than Infection and almost everyone agress Infection is an 11 (764 steps, about 100 more than any ten. like 250 or something mines. 16th streams at 170BPM) then why is it that eveyone disagrees with me that Tension and Disconnected Hyper should be 11's?
If they're harder than an 11(Infection in case you forgot) that is more tiring, more mine filled, and faster than Utopia, Charlene, and Xuxa, then why shouldn't they be 11's themselves?
Oh yeah, to stay on task, Vertex is easy. It's not all that much harder than Infection, but it is a little harder due to stamina. _________________
AA Bob wrote: | Summer is as much of a 12 as PSMO is a 9. |
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Zeta Aspect Trick Member

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36. Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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I personally think Tension deserved to be an 11.
Disconnected Hyper is quite easy up until the end, at which point it becomes evil...EVIL!!! However, it is so unbalanced that players can retain enough stamina to pull off that ending. I know it's faster than any of the 11s (at least on ITG for PS2), but it is just so easy for 80% of the song. Infection is a different type of hard in this respect.
What I am trying to say is that it depends on the player. I am not contradicting myself, however much it may seem like it. I could see Infection as harder under the circumstances, but I would prefer to agree with boochypa that my point is not as valid as I had originally thought.
However, I stand by my claim that VerTex is a 12. I agree with Tyrgannus that Infection is not nearly the easiest 11. I do not disagree with boochypa that Tension and Disconnected Hyper could be viewed as harder than Infection. However, I should point out that just because Disconnected Hyper and Tension are underrated doesn't mean Infection is overrated for everyone.
This post is going to get shot down. I can feel it. Oh well. _________________
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Boochypa Trick Member

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37. Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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The point I was trying to make is that ratings vary by individual.
I have a 96 on Infection but can only manage around 91 on Tension and Disconnected Hyper. That's just because of my playing style, though, since those songs are particularly nasty without the bar.
I don't personally have any trouble with mines or BPM changes, but enough people do (especially when the game first came out and no one knew how to read mines yet) to warrant making Vertex a 12. I DO personally have a lot of trouble with really fast streams and jumps, but most people don't, so those songs are rated 10s. _________________
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J. S. Mill Maniac Member


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38. Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: |
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It might be somewhat worth noting that ITG intends its ratings to overlap, so the hardest ten is supposed to be harder then the easiest eleven, etc. _________________
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Zeta Aspect Trick Member

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39. Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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SPF5.Kiba wrote: | It might be somewhat worth noting that ITG intends its ratings to overlap, so the hardest ten is supposed to be harder then the easiest eleven, etc. |
So they intended to cause this argument between everyone? Those bastards!
WARNING: The following could be considered n00bish:
But seriously, they would do that so that a player who completes all the tens (or elevens, in this case) would be able to move on without hesitiation, correct?
P.S. That is worth noting. However, there is no chance in hell that the arguments are going to stop. _________________
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