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20.  Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| wschmrdr wrote: | | The only songs which could be argued for the 12/8 mold with a gallop-like pattern are Heaven is a '57 Metallic Grey (which is a swung 8th note, treated like a triplet quarter-eighth) and Hysteria |
Burning Heat?
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| 21. Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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burning heat isn't swung, so it has a better case for 12/8 than the rest of the songs. swung music isn't typically written with triplets - the notes are written as straight eighths, and that the music is swung is mentioned along with the bpm.
holic starts off in 7/8, changes to 7/4, and ends in 4/4, btw.
cutie chaser definitely begins 6/4, but does it change to 3/4 at the end? |
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| 22. Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Man, whenever i put 7/13, i wasnt serious, i was splattering out some random signature. It is possible with electronic music, but thats probably it.
Wasn't Handels Messiah written in like two weeks or a month or a short time? i don't remember.
and i was just saying that it would be interesting to have more songs that did not have a base of 2. not just sections of music, i want ENTIRE songs to be in an odd time signature. And when i say "odd", i mean anything but 4/4, 4/8, 2/4, ect. ect. ect..... |
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| 23. Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| wschmrdr wrote: | | The only songs which could be argued for the 12/8 mold with a gallop-like pattern are Heaven is a '57 Metallic Grey (which is a swung 8th note, treated like a triplet quarter-eighth) and Hysteria |
There is really no difference between 4/4 swing and 12/8 (I'm a jazz drummer). It's all about writing. And, last time I checked, bagpipe music isn't categorized as swing. If you listen to it, the pulse is clearly 6/8 or 12/8 (take your pick) at Q.= c.130 BPM. Burning Heat as well.
And, while they are input as such in DDR, the songs mentioned are NOT dotted 8th - 16th musically. You can hear the difference when you compare them side by side, but it's only a very slight difference at this tempo. At slower speeds however it's very noticible.
I'm talking music here, not the DDR engine itself.
| wschmrdr wrote: | | The reason you can sometimes hear 7th and 5th notes is because there are such things as quintuplets, heptuplets, nontuplets, etc. These traditionally, though, are used for scale runs and with the exception of some quintuplets, aren't found in most music. |
Yes, these are tuplets, but noone calls them "7th notes" or "5th notes". They're called, for instance a "5-in-4 8th note tuplet" for example, or simply "5-in-4 eighth".
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| 24. Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: |
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First off, The "Messiah" was written in 24 days. Basically Handel already had it all in his head, it just took him 24 days to write it all down. I'm sure if he lived in our day and age, it would take him probably 5 hours.
I specifically mentioned the gallops for 12/8. Burning Heat and Bag are most DEFINITELY the type of 12/8 where you count the dotted quarter.
Tsugaru and In The Navy it could be argued, because everything's already at such a fast tempo it's difficult to hear.
Thank you for clearing up the term for the quintuplets and heptuplets. Just couldn't think of how to best describe it.
I've also had a bit of experience with percussion, plus also being a keyboard and bass player helps. I'm eclectic with music styles. |
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| 25. Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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All non-whole/half/quarter/eighth/etc notes (i.e. triplets, 7th notes) are displayed as one of those types of notes with a number above them showing they aren't 1/2/4/8/16/etc notes. This is why you cant have those weird numbers on the bottom half of a time signature. There is no such thing as a 7th note, just a modified 8th note.
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| 26. Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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What if you double-dotted like a 64th note, tied it to a few others, and somehow, it turned nto a 13th or 17th or umpteenth note?
It would be very pointless, but isnt that what life is all about? |
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| 27. Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Mexistache wrote: | What if you double-dotted like a 64th note, tied it to a few others, and somehow, it turned nto a 13th or 17th or umpteenth note?
It would be very pointless, but isnt that what life is all about? |
If you take any standard kind of note (quarter, 8th, 16th, etc.), the denominator will be a power of 2. Dotting a note (i.e. making the note 3/2 as long) will not change that, since the denominator, a power of 2, is being multilplied by 2. For example, a dotted 16th note is equivalent to a 1/16 * 3/2 = 3/32 note. A double-dotted 64th note would be equivalent to a 1/64*3/2*3/2 = 9/256 note, and 256 = 2^8. Tying two notes also won't change this, since it is equivalent of adding two fractions together, and the least common denominator of two fractions with powers of 2 for denominators will also be a power of 2 (in fact, it will simply be the higher of the two denominators). If you tie the two aforementioned notes together, you will get a 3/32 + 9/256 = 24/256 + 9/256 = 33/256 note. Thus, there is no hope for your 13th/17th/umpteenth (where "ump" != "six") notes, since the denominator will always be a power of 2.
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wschmrdr
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| 28. Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| since you're still using quarters, eighths, sixteenths, etc., that's what it is. It just requires a bunch more math, which is very tedious. |
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