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40. PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spartan22x wrote:
so using speedmods isn't really cheating E13.gif


Speed mods are still cheating. They're almost as bad as wearing sneakers.
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41. PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the screen is cheating. You're supposed to memorize the steps, you cheaters
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42. PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad to see my disciples are still well versed in their training.

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43. PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm....So far I'm thinking the easiest 12's are VerTex and Tell, since they're the only 2 I can beat.
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44. PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sakura Survivor wrote:
Hmmm....So far I'm thinking the easiest 12's are VerTex and Tell, since they're the only 2 I can beat.


Nah, Delirium and ! are the easiest 12s. Eh, for me anyway. They were the first ones I double-starred.
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45. PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nah, Delirium and ! are the easiest 12s. Eh, for me anyway. They were the first ones I double-starred.
lol delirium is impossible

Delirium is either going to be really easy or really hard. If you want a list of what 12s to TRY, then it should be one of the first, but don't get discouraged if you can't even come close to beating it. I passed Euphoria long before I passed Delirium.
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46. PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JasonTheGreater wrote:
Nah, Delirium and ! are the easiest 12s. Eh, for me anyway. They were the first ones I double-starred.
lol delirium is impossible

Delirium is either going to be really easy or really hard. If you want a list of what 12s to TRY, then it should be one of the first, but don't get discouraged if you can't even come close to beating it. I passed Euphoria long before I passed Delirium.


...How the hell did that happen? Not good at longer runs? Even so, the run in Delerium isn't too difficult (haven't beat it yet, but i always get to the end). I'm not that tired after it either.
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47. PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nah, Delirium and ! are the easiest 12s. Eh, for me anyway. They were the first ones I double-starred.
lol delirium is impossible

Delirium is either going to be really easy or really hard. If you want a list of what 12s to TRY, then it should be one of the first, but don't get discouraged if you can't even come close to beating it. I passed Euphoria long before I passed Delirium.


Whaaaat...Euphoria is crazy hard. I was able to S Pandemonium before I could pass Euphoria, and even still, I can barely break 90 on it. The only song harder than Euphoria is Bloodrush...ugh...
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48. PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the great majority of people can agree Bloodrush is the hardest 12 foot (with the rare exception people think Determinator is harder)

It should be a 13 imo.
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49. PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Determinator and Bloodrush are completely different types of stepcharts though.

I used to think Bloodrush was extremely difficult since it took me 8 tries to pass compared to 1st try on Summer. Now, since my stamina has improved it's dropped down to a middle 12 footer while Determinator is still up there. Once you build enough stamina for Bloodrush it's easy, while Determinator you'll still need an insane footspeed which is sometimes hard to keep consistant.
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50. PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JasonTheGreater wrote:
Rancidfish wrote:
JasonTheGreater wrote:
Nah, Delirium and ! are the easiest 12s. Eh, for me anyway. They were the first ones I double-starred.
lol delirium is impossible

Delirium is either going to be really easy or really hard. If you want a list of what 12s to TRY, then it should be one of the first, but don't get discouraged if you can't even come close to beating it. I passed Euphoria long before I passed Delirium.


Whaaaat...Euphoria is crazy hard. I was able to S Pandemonium before I could pass Euphoria, and even still, I can barely break 90 on it. The only song harder than Euphoria is Bloodrush...ugh...


It's cause Rancidfish sort of sucks at streams and all that. It's sort of inverted (the general difficulty of 12s for everyone else) for him.
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51. PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't' believe Bloodrush is a 13 footer. Determinator...maybe. Euphoria...maybe. They're both pretty hard, and contain a lot of quicker steps, as opposed to long runs.
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52. PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whaaaat...Euphoria is crazy hard. I was able to S Pandemonium before I could pass Euphoria, and even still, I can barely break 90 on it. The only song harder than Euphoria is Bloodrush...ugh...
My highest score on Pandemonium expert is less than 2%. I reliably pass Euphoria with 70+%. I get similar scores on Delirium expert when I pass it, but I fail it a little over half the times I try it.

Why is it that whenever I say "Euphoria is easy," everyone freaks out? "Someone who is good at different things than me? How can this be!?" For me, speed is a huge factor. The end run of Delirium is at 165 BPM, so it's hard. The Beginning is only at 130 or so, the end run of The Beginning is really easy. I still haven't quite nailed it (I got one miss once), but I was getting close to full-comboing it (the run... I suck at the 7-note streams for some reason) well before I could pass Delirium... hell, before I could pass most 11s.

So Delirium, to me, is hard, because it has you stepping very fast for so long. If the song was 135 BPM, it'd be like a hard 10 to me, but it's not, so it's a hard 12.

Euphoria is fast, but it's fake fast. Any time you're doing those 1/32nd trills, you're only mashing two arrows. That's easy. Speed is only difficult if you actually have to move.
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53. PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

euphoria is definately not a 13
i have tried a few times(failed) and have gotten really far, wherein as i try stuff like delerium or tell, i go down fast
HotN is a 13, IMO, because of the 24ths(12ths?) at 167(9?)bpm, thats really hard to do compared to euphoria
vertex? pssh, 10. i find that one really easy, even though slightly difficult

ive watched a person * determinator ex doubles, that right there is definately a 13, watching his feet move that fast, it was amazing

just adding on to the convo, ignore if u want...
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54. PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Need_Stamina wrote:
euphoria is definately not a 13


As far as passing the song, I don't think so either, but as far as getting a good score is concerned, it's a 14.
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55. PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys my body sucks at 12s (no stamina): Since I'm a score whore the only way I know how to pass new songs is to improve on ones I already know I can do.

I figure by the time I can * Energizer, Delirium, and ! I could make it through Bloodrush. Since they're around the same speed and not too different from eachother. (I'm in the 93-94% range on all 3 of them)

I figure when I can FC Hardcore of the North (I think my best is 10 NC with hellavah excellents goog.gif) I can make it through determinator. Those steps are TOOO FRICKIN FAST!! I'm going for a record on number of failed attempts (148 times WOOO!) and I'm no where closer to passing it since the first time I set foot on this game.
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56. PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Determinator is really evil. I passed it my first attempt, haven't passed it since.

On a side note, Bloodrush is the only song in the game I haven't passed yet. It should definately be a 13.
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57. PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

figgy20000 wrote:
Determinator is really evil. I passed it my first attempt, haven't passed it since.

On a side note, Bloodrush is the only song in the game I haven't passed yet. It should definately be a 13.


question: why ppl think that bloodrush should be a 13? isn't it only because of the slowdown rush? i've almost gotten through that but failed, but then i continued the song until the end wasn't that tired after (and i don
't have killer stamina)

and yes, determinator is so evil. the one time i got through the middle rush, i passed. since then i haven't gotten through that middle rush. E2.gif
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58. PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play Bloodrush on c450 ( i know i'm a bitch), and I can get through the slowed down rush, and my stamina is that of a an elderly woman with back problems living in a 3rd world country and stricken with asthma. Stamina doesn't play as big a role, but reading that mess in the middle is tough.

Carry on.
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OMFG IT'S SPELLED DELIRIUM
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