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60. PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D r S a n e wrote:
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It's way too easy to get home version perfects for the window to be 35 ms. I'm pretty sure that Taren once said it was 50 ms (1.5 times the arcade window).


You are saying that Step Mania goes of the home version window?


No, I'm not. The post immediately before mine said the timing window for home versions was 35 ms. I didn't even mention Stepmania.
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61. PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: The SM Timing Window Configurations Reply with quote

D r S a n e wrote:
8th Mix Arcade (Frame-rate based):

JudgeWindowScale=1.000000
JudgeWindowSecondsAttack=0.135000
JudgeWindowSecondsBoo=0.191666
JudgeWindowSecondsGood=0.158333
JudgeWindowSecondsGreat=0.108333
JudgeWindowSecondsMarvelous=0.016666
JudgeWindowSecondsMine=0.108333
JudgeWindowSecondsOK=0.250000
JudgeWindowSecondsPerfect=0.033333


Note: Those of you that use the above option make sure to update the current WindowMarvelous setting change.


So theses setting would best mimic the arcade (Extreme) then?
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62. PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

austin wrote:
D r S a n e wrote:
austin wrote:
It's way too easy to get home version perfects for the window to be 35 ms. I'm pretty sure that Taren once said it was 50 ms (1.5 times the arcade window).


You are saying that Step Mania goes of the home version window?


No, I'm not. The post immediately before mine said the timing window for home versions was 35 ms. I didn't even mention Stepmania.


That's my exact point. Home version is irellevant. This forum is for simulators, Step Mania. Home version doesn't even have timing window options.

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D r S a n e wrote:
8th Mix Arcade (Frame-rate based):

JudgeWindowScale=1.000000
JudgeWindowSecondsAttack=0.135000
JudgeWindowSecondsBoo=0.191666
JudgeWindowSecondsGood=0.158333
JudgeWindowSecondsGreat=0.108333
JudgeWindowSecondsMarvelous=0.016666
JudgeWindowSecondsMine=0.108333
JudgeWindowSecondsOK=0.250000
JudgeWindowSecondsPerfect=0.033333


Note: Those of you that use the above option make sure to update the current WindowMarvelous setting change.


So theses setting would best mimic the arcade (Extreme) then?


For as far as all of the DDR Forums have stated...so yes.
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D r S a n e wrote:
austin wrote:
D r S a n e wrote:
austin wrote:
It's way too easy to get home version perfects for the window to be 35 ms. I'm pretty sure that Taren once said it was 50 ms (1.5 times the arcade window).


You are saying that Step Mania goes of the home version window?


No, I'm not. The post immediately before mine said the timing window for home versions was 35 ms. I didn't even mention Stepmania.


That's my exact point. Home version is irellevant. This forum is for simulators, Step Mania. Home version doesn't even have timing window options.


I know you can't change the home version timings. Like I said, I was not talking about Stepmania. The post before mine said the timing for the home versions was 35, but I'm pretty sure it's 50 ms, so I corrected Dark Luke (or whoever posted that). That's all.
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64. PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh sorry, I didn't know you were correcting somebody. I thought you were trying to say something irrelevant to the topic discussion. riiight.gif
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65. PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same problem as the other guy with a mac does, inside my data folder there is no config file.
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66. PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nevermind, I edited it, it's dumb, Ithought it would be fun.
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67. PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D r S a n e wrote:
8th Mix Arcade (Frame-rate based):

JudgeWindowScale=1.000000
JudgeWindowSecondsAttack=0.135000
JudgeWindowSecondsBoo=0.191666
JudgeWindowSecondsGood=0.158333
JudgeWindowSecondsGreat=0.108333
JudgeWindowSecondsMarvelous=0.016666
JudgeWindowSecondsMine=0.108333
JudgeWindowSecondsOK=0.250000
JudgeWindowSecondsPerfect=0.033333


Note: Those of you that use the above option make sure to update the current WindowMarvelous setting change.

okay, upon further review i am POSITIVE that these timings are harder than the arcade. i went to the arcade and got 36 greats on am-3p but when i play it at home with these timings i rarely break 50.
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68. PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you use an USB Adapter?
USB Adapters are laggy.

The Arcade is much more precise than Stepmania/the PC.
Just the USB Adapter has very much lag, and USB is limited to an update rate for devices at 8ms. That makes the feeling clumsy.
The Timing should be around 30 ms for Extreme, so this should be correct.

I'm currently working on ways to reduce the lag on Stepmania and the timing feels okay so far.
I'm going to write a thread or something about my modifications soon, but at first I'm gonna try if Linux has less lag than Windows.
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what about DWI settings? I dont see how your numbers can be used in DWIs timing system...
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As it was mentioned earlier, you can't manually change the timing window on stepmania with the notepad file, but go to options on the main page and find the set judging option (I think it's under machine options) and set it to 4. That is almost exactly the arcade difficulty.
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71. PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Scorpion- wrote:
Do you use an USB Adapter?
USB Adapters are laggy.

The Arcade is much more precise than Stepmania/the PC.
Just the USB Adapter has very much lag, and USB is limited to an update rate for devices at 8ms. That makes the feeling clumsy.
The Timing should be around 30 ms for Extreme, so this should be correct.

I'm currently working on ways to reduce the lag on Stepmania and the timing feels okay so far.
I'm going to write a thread or something about my modifications soon, but at first I'm gonna try if Linux has less lag than Windows.


The USB Adapter is not always very laggy. It depends on the brand. The "super dual box" (the blue one) is perfect. There is no flaw in it.
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Yeah, and the super dual box is the one I use so I'm pretty sure its the timing windows.
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As it was mentioned earlier, you can't manually change the timing window on stepmania with the notepad file, but go to options on the main page and find the set judging option (I think it's under machine options) and set it to 4. That is almost exactly the arcade difficulty.


Neil1337, sorry, but if it is set to 4, well, I can AAA almost every song on Extreme. 4 is NO WHERE NEAR arcade. YES, you CAN change it manually, in Stepmania.ini. Also, it wasn't mentioned earlier.

EDIT: Don't double post. Just use the edit button. Like I did.
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JudgeWindowScale=1.000000
JudgeWindowSecondsAttack=0.135000
JudgeWindowSecondsBoo=0.180000
JudgeWindowSecondsGood=0.135000
JudgeWindowSecondsGreat=0.102000
JudgeWindowSecondsMarvelous=0.021500
JudgeWindowSecondsMine=0.070000
JudgeWindowSecondsOK=0.320000
JudgeWindowSecondsPerfect=0.043000

ITG timing windows :0)
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75. PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed this with the 8th Mix timings:

The boo timing is WAY off, as in it counts it as a "Boo" from as much as an 8th-note away. Can anyone fix this? Thanks, it's quite annoying, I can't keep 8th-note beats.
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Aren't the timing windows for the 8th Mix Arcade:
Marvelous window = 1/60 of a second
Perfect window = 2/60 of a second
Great window = 4/60 of a second
Good window = 5/60 of a second
Boo window = 8/60 of a second

So wouldn't it make sense for the timing windows to be:
JudgeWindowScale=1.000000
JudgeWindowBooSeconds=0.133333
JudgeWindowGoodSeconds=0.083333
JudgeWindowGreatSeconds=0.066667
JudgeWindowMarvelousSeconds=0.016667
JudgeWindowOKSeconds=0.250000
JudgeWindowPerfectSeconds=0.033333

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kmoyGTI wrote:
Aren't the timing windows for the 8th Mix Arcade:
Marvelous window = 1/60 of a second
Perfect window = 2/60 of a second
Great window = 4/60 of a second
Good window = 5/60 of a second
Boo window = 8/60 of a second

So wouldn't it make sense for the timing windows to be:
JudgeWindowScale=1.000000
JudgeWindowBooSeconds=0.133333
JudgeWindowGoodSeconds=0.083333
JudgeWindowGreatSeconds=0.066667
JudgeWindowMarvelousSeconds=0.016667
JudgeWindowOKSeconds=0.250000
JudgeWindowPerfectSeconds=0.033333

-kmoyGTi


Test it out and see how it goes E1.gif I'll try too but my judgement with this stuff sucks...the only thing I see a problem with the original 8th mix timings posted before is that the boo judgement is WAY out there. Should be smaller in my own honest opinion. Try to hit an arrow every 8th note, and hit it as the same arrow coming up. It counts it as a boo. That cant be right.
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78. PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried changing

JudgeWindowSecondsBoo=0.191666

to

JudgeWindowSecondsBoo=0.171666

And it feels just about right. Way less boos, but it dosent screw up on half note beats, you get a good once in a while. Try that, see how it feels.
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still wondering how to switch them for mac...
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