Making a DDR Wiki for the site

Zonic · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject: Making a DDR Wiki for the site

I was wondering if the mods ever decided about making a DDR Wiki. As I recall from Sept. 19th,

videoCWK · Trick Member Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Location: woh

This sounds good to me. We should definitely do this.
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Zonic · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject:

In addition, if enough info is contributed by a member, they could have their status of Trick changed to Contributor. Also, I think we could also include the step chart (just normal charts. No Left, Right, etc.) for each diff., but by having a link to them to save space on the page.

I feel I could add alot of info to this. & I think I could get CyricZ, creator of most of the DDR FAQs on GameFAQs (excluding Ultramix 4, Universe, & any future X360 DDR games) on the bandwagon. He has a ton of info that could contribute to the Wiki.

Flameboat · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject:

I made a preview for you guys.

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Zonic · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject:

Which is why I suggest:

A.) Only the Trick Members should be allowed, as mentioned before.

B.) The edits should be checked by the Mods &/or Admin. They could assign a different mod to a different section i.e some could have CS & others would have AC.

I'm trying to think of a system that'll both work with the mods & keep the annoying spammers from ruining the DDR Wiki. They're the ones who'll make the Wiki. We, the members, are only adding to it.

æ¢é¨ · Trick Member Joined: 03 Jul 2007

I'd enjoy helping and contributing.

Anything in particular I can do at the moment?
This sounds awesome! xD
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Zonic · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:46 am Post subject:

IMO, we already have stuff up to Extreme as for songlists, stepcharts, etc. Mainly, I think the hardest parts are gonna be:

A.) Finding info about the songs from older mixes that don't appear anymore & for the "nobody knows anything about this" songs

B.) Explaining the whole SN2 e-A thing going on & having to keep updating that

Also, I sent a e-mail to CyricZ about HMM Double for SN2 & when he replies, I'll tell him about this. I just remember that I should've asked him.

11/11 - CyricZ has given me permission to use his info for the wiki in a e-mail:

Zonic · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject:

It's been 20 days, mods/admin. Have you guys given any thought about this? Just about everything that I can think of has already been said in the above posts. Perhaps we could ask the people from VJ Army who did the IIDX & Pop'n Wiki if they could help us out since, as said before, there's is the best example. As I said, CyricZ has given me permission to borrow his info from his FAQs, so we have just about every US CS version of DDR covered, excluding UM3, UM4, & Universe, plus the AC version of Supernova & maybe SN2 when it comes out in the US.

HumanBeing · Trick Member Joined: 24 Mar 2007

This sounds like a good idea to me but I think simply restricting updating of the wiki to trick members isn't going far enough.

Perhaps there could initially be a set of trusted users (everyone with a user status higher than trick) who are given posting access permission on the wiki.

They, in turn, could be allowed to "voice" other members, and it would be shown which current wiki-poster voiced whom, so if there was a problem, the voice could be taken back and if someone consistently voiced problem people, his/her voice on the wiki could be taken away.

So in this way, everyone with a higher than trick status is initially voiced. Anyone who is voiced has the ability to voice anyone else (but it is recorded who did so, so abuse can be traced back).

I don't know if it's too much trouble though.
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Zonic · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject:

While I agree, I wanna remind everyone that the only stats higher than Trick are Maniac (forums moderators), Vivid (who brings the DDR Freak founders & workers Bemani games), & Konami Staff. As for Contributor, you still have the same foot icon, but you could earn this stat by contributing enough info, perhaps. So what you're saying is, the edit would go to said above people (or perhaps PM'd?), then they'd check it, & if they trusted a member who contributed enough actual info, then they'd get voiced also?

However, like I said, we could have some of the mods checking the edits. Also, I wanna add that they can't have a warning point.

ÂLaundry · Trick Member Joined: 17 Nov 2007

You guys aren't assuming good faith!

HumanBeing · Trick Member Joined: 24 Mar 2007

Correct.

On something with a much larger audience, such as Wikipedia, there are enough people that vandalism is usually corrected by those in-the-know.

On a more specific wiki, as this proposal is for, I do not know if there would be enough dedicated in-the-know people to correct every wiki-vandal.

Certainly there are the in-the-know people but I don't know that the same people would want to constantly police the wiki, whereas wikipedia has a significantly-larger reach and, thus, more people to fix bad entries.
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Zonic · Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:29 am Post subject:

I wouldn't mind (I'm always keeping track of DDR-related stuff. Plus CyricZ on GameFAQs has tons of facts that I learn from him). Maybe we can have a new Stat for people who help out with the DDR Wiki.

As with the VJ Army Wiki, I think it should be something like ddrfreak.com/wiki, instead of just a DDR Portal like many stuff on Wikipedia.

My biggest concern is to figure out how to keep the spammers away while finding enough people who'll actually wanna take care of it. I'm betting the mods/admins have enough on their hands now. Perhaps to add on with the editting requirements, you'd have to be a member for over a year & take a little "How well do you know DDR?" quiz. Kinda like what the mods did with that "What does DDR stand for?" when you sign up.

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0rion · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:16 am Post subject:

I'm actually not in favor of this.

For one thing, Wikis (especially specialized ones) are notorious for either a stiflingly restrictive code, or one so loose that every article turns into an RV battle.

For another thing, there really isn't a whole lot to know about the games OR the site. We already have song lists and machine locations, modifiers are self-explanatory, and even the lingo used by people can be explained with ease. Really, a wiki is just unnecessary.

And just who is the target audience for this wiki, anyway? People that play DDR. But people that play DDR to the point where they want to read about or discuss it... well, they go HERE to read about and discuss it. So, really, if we made a wiki, we'd just be talking to ourselves, telling each other stuff we all already know.

And video game-based wikis don't offer a whole lot in the way of leeway for articles. I mean, you're either going to be talking about gameplay mechanics or mindless trivia. It might work for Bulbapedia (...*cough*... riii-iiight), but not for what is for all intents and purposes the grown-up version of Spider Stomp. You step on arrows, you get score. Do we really need anything further than that?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that people couldn't use information on this game. But that's what THIS site is for. Making a wiki for what is almost the same purpose is both inefficient and redundant.
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Zonic · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject:

0rion · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject:

To be perfectly honest, my level 10 guide was pure crap, and I've been seriously considering asking CJayC to get rid of it. It's incredibly outdated and has a LOT of views that are incredibly archaic that I don't wish to be associated with.

Really, though, the vast majority of what could be covered in the wiki is already covered in our forum guides and FAQs. So instead of telling random newbies to read those, we'd just be telling them to read the wiki instead. As I said, there are two ways I could see a wiki being useful. The first is if it could convey information not otherwise available. The second is if it could convey the information more easily or expediently than the current methods. I don't really believe either of these are the case. I'm not saying I'm going to fight a DDR wiki tooth and nail, I'm just saying it doesn't seem necessary.

Having said that, I would be happy to help with any form of guide, FAQ, or wiki this site devises, and I'm honored that you would ask me.

Edit: Holy freaking crap! I actually managed to revive my 7-year-old GameFAQs account somehow! I haven't even SEEN that thing since 2004! Wow.
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