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Rynker
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20.  Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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No way. Isn't this the first time konami actually listened to their players?
It seems that they didn't want to give anyone at konami the dirty work of letting everyone know that they will fix the timing issue.
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dbv aka deepbluevibes
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| 21. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | | dbv aka deepbluevibes wrote: | | Bandit22 wrote: | | so now all the people who said nothing was wrong with it are officially incorrect. |
no, there's still nothing wrong with it, it's just that enough people whined about something being wrong because they were mad they couldn't get AAA's as easily, they had to actually use some timing (oh noes)!
so enough peple complaining = game change. lmao |
Uh...no. If there wasn't actually a syncing problem, Konami wouldn't be releasing an update to FIX IT. |
just like konami wouldn't release a game if it weren't working right, right?
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| 22. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| They're already working on an upgrade? Great! I just hope the nearest SuperNOVA doesn't get upgraded. If they did, they might have the urge to bump the price up to more then 6 tokens. Besides, the timing issues will drive people away from it, which I want. |
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Resident Lune
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| 23. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Spectere wrote: | | Moan, moan, ITG > Konami. |
Oh, jeez ...
Seriously, what more do you want? If Konami had instead ignored the issue, I'm sure people like you would have bemoaned the fact that they don't care and that they don't want to take care of problems that are obvious, then gone on a different tangent about how RoXor listens to their fans, while Konami doesn't.
But since they did, indeed, admit to muxing up, you're going at it with a different angle of "Well, they should have gotten it perfect the first time, and they should be scorned and repulsed", and so on and so forth.
How about just appreciating the fact that they are, indeed, admitting to a programming error and are going to make up for it as soon as they can? Is that too hard?
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Jupichan
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| 24. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Resident Lune wrote: |
How about just appreciating the fact that they are, indeed, admitting to a programming error and are going to make up for it as soon as they can? Is that too hard? |
Yeah, man. Shit happens. It probably shouldn't have happened in the first place, but it did. And they're gonna fix it, and even give us a little present too.
I like presents. :3 |
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| 25. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| dbv aka deepbluevibes wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | | dbv aka deepbluevibes wrote: | | Bandit22 wrote: | | so now all the people who said nothing was wrong with it are officially incorrect. |
no, there's still nothing wrong with it, it's just that enough people whined about something being wrong because they were mad they couldn't get AAA's as easily, they had to actually use some timing (oh noes)!
so enough peple complaining = game change. lmao |
Uh...no. If there wasn't actually a syncing problem, Konami wouldn't be releasing an update to FIX IT. |
just like konami wouldn't release a game if it weren't working right, right?
right. |
That's completely unrelated and doesn't make any sense, and you should know that.
If nothing was actually wrong, what would be the purpose of releasing an upgrade? Adding a new song wouldn't be enough; people would still continue to complain about syncing issues. The size of the Perfect window has nothing to do with it. When this many people complain about syncing issues, there are syncing issues. Any halfway decent player can tell when the Perfect window isn't lined up with the beat, regardless of the size of the window. The Perfect window may be smaller than Extreme's, but that has nothing to do with it. ITG's Fantastic window is smaller than DDR's Perfect window, yet I don't hear people complaining about ITG's syncing like they're complaining about SN's.
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gerinis
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| 26. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| dbv aka deepbluevibes wrote: | | Bandit22 wrote: | | so now all the people who said nothing was wrong with it are officially incorrect. |
no, there's still nothing wrong with it, it's just that enough people whined about something being wrong because they were mad they couldn't get AAA's as easily, they had to actually use some timing (oh noes)!
so enough peple complaining = game change. lmao |
How many SuperNova machines have you played on? Is it possible that your machine is fine while others are off-sync?
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| 27. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I've played on four machines myself, and they were ALL horribly synched.
DBV . . . you need to realize that this isn't "players whining because they're not good enough" . . . Konami rushed their game for whatever reason and the result was a pile of problems.
A smaller timing window I can deal with. Hell, I played 3rd Mix, that was rough.
But when there are songs an entire HALF-BEAT EARLY, that's very very wrong.
oh and gerinis . . . that mdfmk graphic looks a bit silly with the "body" added on  |
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| 28. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Resident Lune wrote: | | Spectere wrote: | | Moan, moan, ITG > Konami. |
Oh, jeez ...
Seriously, what more do you want? If Konami had instead ignored the issue, I'm sure people like you would have bemoaned the fact that they don't care and that they don't want to take care of problems that are obvious, then gone on a different tangent about how RoXor listens to their fans, while Konami doesn't.
But since they did, indeed, admit to muxing up, you're going at it with a different angle of "Well, they should have gotten it perfect the first time, and they should be scorned and repulsed", and so on and so forth.
How about just appreciating the fact that they are, indeed, admitting to a programming error and are going to make up for it as soon as they can? Is that too hard? |
The best part is how Spectere admits that Roxor did the exact same thing with ITG2 (and how many revisions did it take them to get it RIGHT again?) as Konami has with SuperNOVA, i.e. releasing a build with synching issues and then quickly releasing a fix (DDR SN has NOT been out that long, and the distribution is still quite small), but somehow it shows that Roxor is to be praised and Konami is to be reviled. Sheer brilliance. Spectere should be a defense attorney.
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| 29. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know how Konami doesn't notice a sync drift issue in testing (unless they just skipped over the error), but as long as it gets fixed in a timely manner, SN wouldn't be an awful game. I wouldn't call it a great game (or maybe I would, since I don't like greats), but I wouldn't avoid it at all costs. The only thing I don't like about patches is that certain arcades out there just plain won't bother with it.
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| 30. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| gerinis wrote: | | dbv aka deepbluevibes wrote: | | Bandit22 wrote: | | so now all the people who said nothing was wrong with it are officially incorrect. |
no, there's still nothing wrong with it, it's just that enough people whined about something being wrong because they were mad they couldn't get AAA's as easily, they had to actually use some timing (oh noes)!
so enough peple complaining = game change. lmao |
How many SuperNova machines have you played on? Is it possible that your machine is fine while others are off-sync? |
Yes, our machine at SVGL is on sync.
This is what i've been trying to say; the game itself is not messed up. Some of you just got faulty hardware. The MGL machine IS off sync.
but, whatever. you all believe what you want to believe, and we'll see if it really "fixes" being "off sync" lol
i played over 120 games of supernova so far.
every time i ended the game with "jerk it out".
every time I ended up with between 4 to 8 greats.
so, no, it doesn't "sync drift" on WORKING machines. |
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gerinis
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| 31. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| dbv aka deepbluevibes wrote: |
i played over 120 games of supernova so far.
every time i ended the game with "jerk it out".
every time I ended up with between 4 to 8 greats.
so, no, it doesn't "sync drift" on WORKING machines. |
Well yeah, because if it did, then the machine wouldn't be classified as a 'working' machine.
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| 32. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Ok someone compared Perfects and Fantastics. Isnt a Fantastic more like a Marvelous?
Wait. How many patches have we had to put on the ITG machines at our local arcades? Looks like Roxor doesnt get it right the first time either.
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| 33. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, Fantastic is closer to Marvelous (Fantastic is 20 ms, Marvelous 16.7, Perfect 33). Some of us hope ITG3 will include Ridiculous timing, which would solidify the claim that Perfect and Fantastic should be equated (people like to see Great and Great, equate them, and evaluate from there, apparently).
Betson says it's not faulty hardware. Maybe that's the truth, maybe it isn't, but I haven't seen Konami employess milling about saying "SuperNova software does not cause this." I'm inclined to think it's the software-hardware interface, which lands the blame on Konami assuming Betson did, in fact, build cabinets according to specs.
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| 34. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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ok how about this
deepblue is a name dropping troll so lets just ignore him
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| 35. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I vote G2 or Giudecca as new song..... |
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AA Bob
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| 36. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| HRLVCam wrote: | | Ok someone compared Perfects and Fantastics. Isnt a Fantastic more like a Marvelous? |
Yes it is, and that's part of the point I was making. DBV said "it's just that enough people whined about something being wrong because they were mad they couldn't get AAA's as easily, they had to actually use some timing". Now ITG has a smaller timing window than DDR. However, you don't hear people complaining about how ITG is offsync, even though it's harder to get a perfect score. And that's because ITG (for the most part) isn't offsync. And on top of that, some of the people complaining about SN's syncing are ITG players.
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| 37. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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finally Konami steps in, thank you.
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| 38. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Spectere wrote: | Konami should have gotten it right the first time. Seriously, this only proves that SuperNOVA is a rush-job that was pushed out to compete with ITG.
It's just totally ridiculous that any song should be off in a game like this, and is made even worse by the fact that not only are several songs off-sync, but some songs will be on-sync once and horribly off-sync the next.
I'm just going to stick with ITG, kthx. At least Roxor knows how to sync songs and make charts difficult without throwing in a boatload of BPM changes and stops, not to mention how to sync songs well (yeah, I know they had a few off-sync charts in the first releases...while that most definitely shouldn't have happened in the first place, at least they were quick to correct it). |
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| 39. Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope the new song is... GO! |
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