ITG Song Censorship Thread

Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:12 pm Post subject:

I think Caution says it too.
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Sinistar · Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:57 am Post subject:

I think I understand now why RedOctane had to have an E rating on ITG, even at the cost of the music.

They recently relaunched GetUpMove.com with more of a focus on ITG, and if you look at this page, you'll see that RO is starting to push ITG and Ignition pads as components of a school phys ed program. In fact, they've started a whole new Generation FIT initiative to get their products into that market.

So, watching the videos on that page, what do we see? A bunch of 10 year olds playing ITG. That's why the songs are so oddly and heavily edited - RO needs to be able to sell ITG as part of their fitness solution and probably rightly thought that they wouldn't be able to even get in the front door with a Teen rated game if they are going to include elementary school programs.

ITG was edited for the children. Or so goes my speculative assertion. While a Teen rating would not have hurt retail sales, it would have severely hurt sales to schools, who are very touchy about such things, making the Teen rating unacceptable for RedOctane's marketing strategy.
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They should have released the game uncensored, then made another copy that was censored for the school FIT programs.
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Chilly Cha Cha · Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:12 am Post subject:

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Here is a way.

Release the game censored, BUT have a special unlock code that you can enter that would uncensor the songs. As long as you make it slightly awkard to put in and have a confirmation message that pops up kids wouldn't be able to put it in during school hours, and if they did it at home and parents complained they could let them know that their kids would have to have looked it up on the internet, and no not on their official site (you know post it here and stuff

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I think censorship is pretty bad, and the stuff on the radio you hear is 10x worse than what they censored here.

Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject:

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Ah, an uncensor code, like the Mortal Kombat blood code from [old timer]back in the day.[/old timer] I like the idea in theory, but I don't think it would work. They'd have to put two versions of the songs that would "need" censored, and then program a way to replace the...

Hm, idea.

Say that there are two versions of the .sm file to those songs, with each pointing to a different version of the music but being identical otherwise. By default, the game loads all the censored versions, but the code somehow tells the game to load the unedited versions instead. I imagine that would be quite tricky to program, though. Getting back to what I was about to say before my train changed tracks there, I also doubt there'd really be the space to include all the extra music files that would entail.
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Saigo · Trick Member Joined: 23 Jun 2005

someone please explain to me who sets up these censors and why... im seriously curious what makes people do that to games...

Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject:

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Sinistar · Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject:

Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject:

That's why I think parents should actually be doing their job. -_-
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Semi-relevant comic
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Thrill_Shakespeare · Trick Member Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Location: Macon, Georgia

Great comic, AMxJM!

As much as I hate the censorship in PS2 ITG (and the amateurish way in which it was done) it does actually help me. I was planning to start using DDR with some of my theatre students to improve their coordination and balance. (I have a theory that it will help them learn the more traditional dances for our Broadway-style musicals later on.) My school's administrators will be much more comfortable with a mix that has been heavily edited. Of course, RedOctane censored many things the admins wouldn't have worried about anyway...

Apparently (as Sinistar said earlier) RedOctane really has this partially aimed at schools for physical education. Hmmm...you would have thought that would rate better record keeping in the Fitness Mode.

But that's another topic...

Chilly Cha Cha · Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:08 am Post subject:

Sharz_Miguazin · Trick Member Joined: 26 May 2005 Location: CT, USA

It all makes me kinda wonder. Why couldn't they just release two versions of the game, one E and one T? Wouldn't that solve everything? True fans could have the lyrics and school activity programs or parents getting the game for their children and whatnot could of had the appropriateness of E. It can't be that more expensive, don't musicians do it all the time? Dance games in a nutshell all arrows and modifiers taken away are simply music anyway.

As far as the actual censorship, well I just got ITG yesterday and I admit I'm disheartened to discover all the changes, especially the oddball ones. What bothers me the most is the way they decided to handle them. Honestly, its my opinion that censorship sucks, but since it seems they were so determined to keep it E rated, wouldn't just silencing the words out be easier? The beats still there. A serious dancer would know what the word was and it wouldn't bother them that much. Strangely out of place words and repeats are poor excuses of acceptable solutions, and create topics such as this amongst fans. I understand it was a bit of a rush to production, but even for a rush it was a rather poor decision.
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