In The Groove Ships to Retail

DJ Tenku · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:27 pm Post subject:

I got my copy today!

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and my back hurts from playing. Oi, it's hard! (Though I love rom-eo and Juli8 on Hard.)
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djzmudpony · Trick Member Joined: 11 Nov 2003 Location: Edison, NJ

I agree with daandrew18. They should have just muted the word out or put a whistle noise or something. The whole repeating thing sounds more like an error.
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Denz1220 · Basic Member Joined: 30 Apr 2005 Location: Tri Cities

Rom-eo And juli8 Agree like it 2 all of them actually.
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yyr · Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:22 am Post subject:

Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:19 pm Post subject:

Do you get a discount on those? At the EBGames I go to, if you buy a display copy, they'll treat it as a preowned and give you a discounted price. If they don't have manuals or instructions in that, they'll give you 10% off.

Then again, it could just be my friend being a friend for me. ;D
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Wolfman Jake · Trick Member Joined: 13 Sep 2002

Ok, I'm trying to figure this one out: What exactly is the Single (or Double) for that matter Summary actually tracking in the Records section? It can't just be the number of songs passed, because the "Actual Total" column is often fractional. The "Star Completion" description on the far right column leads me to believe it's the number of stars attained, but that still makes little sense, since again the results are fractional. All I can think of is that you get 1 points for a star, partial credit for S ranks, and extra credit for double, triple, and quadruple star ranks? Even stranger, the percentages reported for the Star Completion don't even match the fractions of "Actual" over "Total Possible" reported. For instance, my Hard report is 66.59/76.00 = 91.27%. That's too high; it should be 87.62%. My Medium report is 73.14/76.00 = 100.24%. THAT is obviously out of whack. The other difficulty reports and the total report are similarly odd. Any idea what's going on?
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ChessWhiz · Trick Member Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Location: Corvallis, OR

Star Complete is how close you are to averaging a Star grade (96%) in that section. So, if you have exactly 96% on every song, you will have exactly 100% Star Complete. Yay for handheld calculators!

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Wolfman Jake · Trick Member Joined: 13 Sep 2002

Ok, that explains Star Completion, but then what do the "Actual Total" to "Total Possible" ratios indicate? They are not the same percentage as the Star Complete Percentage. The total possible is obviously based on 1 point per song in each difficulty level, but I'm not sure what gives you a point and how you get fractional points.
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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure but I'm taking a pretty okay/knowledgable guess on it:

Actual Total: Your DP.
Possible Total: Maximum amount of DP.

DP = Dance Points.
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Wolfman Jake · Trick Member Joined: 13 Sep 2002

That's as good a guess as any. I'll test it out later today with a calculator and see if I can get those numbers to come out right by adding my DP% for each song in a given difficulty by scaling the % to the decimal equivalent (100% = 1).
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Chilly Cha Cha · Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:27 am Post subject:

[vent mode]You know - the discussion in the above few posts alludes to a rather frustrating issue of mine - why are the game manuals devoid of any information about grading - why do I have to go to aaroninjapan to find an essay extrapolating how each DDR game keeps score; then to itgfreak to determine what the cut offs are for each letter/star grade; and then here to find out what the stats on the stats page actually represent (again all by extrapolation and guess work) - what the hell is the point of having a score or a statistics page anyway if the user is never given any information as to how it is calculated or what it all means? Even though I like the ITG percentage system better than the DDR numerical score - I still haven't figured out exactly what goes into the score and what subtracts and how this is related or unrelated to Dance Points for the letter/star grade (or if they are exactly the same). What is so proprietary about that information that it can't be disclosed officially in the game manual - especially when DDR is overhauling the entire score system with every new iteration?[/vent mode]

Wolfman Jake · Trick Member Joined: 13 Sep 2002

St00pidBaka, I tried out your idea, and it works! If you convert your DP%'s into the decimal equivalent (i.e. a 97.89% becomes 0.9789), their sum is the "Actual Total" column for each difficulty level. Furthermore, I verified the Star Percentage calculation that ChessWhiz provided, and it works too. Thanks!

Chilly Cha Cha, your guess as to why Konami and Roxor are so coy about the statistical information on grading in their respective dance games is as good as anyone else's.
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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:34 pm Post subject:

Wolfman Jake · Trick Member Joined: 13 Sep 2002

Well, it was still a very good guess. It would have been nice of Roxor/RedOctane either to have explained what each statistic means in the instruction booklet under the "Records" section (there was plenty of space to do so), or to have chosen a less obtuse/more readily understandable statistic like "Average DP Score" for each difficulty level.
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